par Suliko » ven. 27 nov. 2020, 22:08
Il y a un prestige particulier de l’Église de Rome parmi les autres Églises, puisque le siège épiscopal de cette ville se réclame de Pierre ; une pareille tradition pèse d’un poids considérable dans la piété de l’Église ancienne ; il existait donc un prestige de fait en faveur du siège romain, c'est certain.
Daïdalon,
Les chrétiens opposés au catholicisme utilisent depuis longtemps le fait que le pape Grégoire le Grand aurait refusé le titre de patriarche universel. Mais en fait, si on lit d'autres lettres de ce pape, on voit bien que son autorité était bien réelle, et pas seulement symbolique ou honorifique.
Voici par exemple ce qu'il écrivit aux évêques d'Alexandrie et d'Antioche :
Now eight years ago, in the time of my predecessor of holy memory Pelagius, our brother and fellow bishop John in the city of Constantinople, seeking occasion from another cause, held a synod in which he attempted to call himself Universal Bishop. Which as soon as my said predecessor knew, he dispatched letters annulling by the authority of the holy apostle Peter the acts of the said synod.
Voici une autre lettre, au sous-diacre Jean :
Inasmuch as it is manifest that the Apostolic See is, by the ordering of God, set over all Churches, there is, among our manifold cares, special demand for our attention, when our decision is awaited with a view to the consecration of a bishop. Now on the death of Laurentius, bishop of the church of Mediolanum, the clergy reported to us that they had unanimously agreed in the election of our son Constantius, their deacon. But, their report not having been subscribed, it becomes necessary, that we may omit nothing in the way of caution, for you to proceed to Genua (Genoa), supported by the authority of this order. And, inasmuch as there are many Milanese at present there under stress of barbarian ferocity, you must call them together, and enquire into their wishes in common. And, if no diversity of opinion separates them from the unanimity of the election — that is to say, if you ascertain that the desire and consent of all continues in favour of our aforesaid son, Constantius — then you are to cause him to be consecrated by his own bishops, as ancient usage requires, with the assent of our authority, and the help of the Lord; to the end that through the observance of such custom both the Apostolic See may retain the power belonging to it, and at the same time may not diminish the rights which it has conceded to others.
Enfin une lettre à l'évêque de Syracuse :
For as to what they say about the Church of Constantinople, who can doubt that it is subject to the Apostolic See, as both the most pious lord the emperor and our brother the bishop of that city continually acknowledge ? Yet, if this or any other Church has anything that is good, I am prepared in what is good to imitate even my inferiors, while prohibiting them from things unlawful. For he is foolish who thinks himself first in such a way as to scorn to learn whatever good things he may see.
Il y aurait encore d'autres exemples, mais à vrai dire, la question de la primauté de Rome a déjà été abordée sur ce forum, y compris par ma propre personne au cours d'un débat (houleux, hélas) avec un orthodoxe.
Par ailleurs, personne ne nie la centralisation qui s'est opérée en ce qui concerne l'usage de son autorité par Rome. Mais cette autorité, elle l'avait déjà en substance dès le début. Le père Fortescue explique tout cela mieux que moi dans son ouvrage "The early papacy".
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Il y a un prestige particulier de l’Église de Rome parmi les autres Églises, puisque le siège épiscopal de cette ville se réclame de Pierre ; une pareille tradition pèse d’un poids considérable dans la piété de l’Église ancienne ; il existait donc un prestige de fait en faveur du siège romain, c'est certain.[/quote]Daïdalon,
Les chrétiens opposés au catholicisme utilisent depuis longtemps le fait que le pape Grégoire le Grand aurait refusé le titre de patriarche universel. Mais en fait, si on lit d'autres lettres de ce pape, on voit bien que son autorité était bien réelle, et pas seulement symbolique ou honorifique.
Voici par exemple ce qu'il écrivit aux évêques d'Alexandrie et d'Antioche :
[quote]Now eight years ago, in the time of my predecessor of holy memory Pelagius, our brother and fellow bishop John in the city of Constantinople, seeking occasion from another cause, held a synod in which he attempted to call himself Universal Bishop. Which as soon as my said predecessor knew, [u]he dispatched letters annulling by the authority of the holy apostle Peter the acts of the said synod[/u].[/quote]
Voici une autre lettre, au sous-diacre Jean :
[quote]Inasmuch as it is manifest that [u]the Apostolic See is, by the ordering of God, set over all Churches[/u], there is, among our manifold cares, special demand for our attention, when our decision is awaited with a view to the consecration of a bishop. Now on the death of Laurentius, bishop of the church of Mediolanum, the clergy reported to us that they had unanimously agreed in the election of our son Constantius, their deacon. But, their report not having been subscribed, it becomes necessary, that we may omit nothing in the way of caution, for you to proceed to Genua (Genoa), supported by the authority of this order. And, inasmuch as there are many Milanese at present there under stress of barbarian ferocity, you must call them together, and enquire into their wishes in common. And, if no diversity of opinion separates them from the unanimity of the election — that is to say, if you ascertain that the desire and consent of all continues in favour of our aforesaid son, Constantius — then you are to cause him to be consecrated by his own bishops, as ancient usage requires, [u]with the assent of our authority[/u], and the help of the Lord; to the end that through the observance of such custom [u]both the Apostolic See may retain the power belonging to it, and at the same time may not diminish the rights which it has conceded to others[/u].
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Enfin une lettre à l'évêque de Syracuse :
[quote][u]For as to what they say about the Church of Constantinople, who can doubt that it is subject to the Apostolic See[/u], as both the most pious lord the emperor and our brother the bishop of that city continually acknowledge ? Yet, if this or any other Church has anything that is good, I am prepared in what is good to imitate even my inferiors, while prohibiting them from things unlawful. For he is foolish who thinks himself first in such a way as to scorn to learn whatever good things he may see.[/quote]
Il y aurait encore d'autres exemples, mais à vrai dire, la question de la primauté de Rome a déjà été abordée sur ce forum, y compris par ma propre personne au cours d'un débat (houleux, hélas) avec un orthodoxe.
Par ailleurs, personne ne nie la centralisation qui s'est opérée en ce qui concerne l'usage de son autorité par Rome. Mais cette autorité, elle l'avait déjà en substance dès le début. Le père Fortescue explique tout cela mieux que moi dans son ouvrage "The early papacy".